Verizon, I will no longer be a Verizon customer if you do not allow an unlocked Nexus 5 on your network. I will also encourage everyone I know to drop service with you.
It is kind of hard to allow a device on their network when it physically doesn't have the radio hardware required to access the network.
Ah But it DOES have a compatible radio:
The document also gives us a peek at most of the device's specs, confirming
and expanding upon recent rumors – here's a quick rundown of what it
reveals.
- 4.95" 1080p display (IPS TFT for those interested)
- 32GB internal storage (other capacities not specified)
- 2GB RAM
- MSM8974 aka Snapdragon 800 at 2.3GHz
- 8MP OIS rear camera, 1.3MP front camera
- 2300mAh battery
- Sensors: Accelerometer, Gyroscope, Compass, Proximity/Ambient Light,
Pressure
- Slimport compatibility
- Micro SIM slot
- Notification light
- Wireless charging
- NFC
- Bluetooth 3.0 (We assume this is an
error<https://www.bluetooth.org/tpg/QLI_viewQDL.cfm?qid=21498> –
Bluetooth 4.0 appears elsewhere in the document, but according to the last
page it's still a draft.)
- UMTS/GSM/CDMA/LTE compatibility
If by chance the actual phone ends up having CDMA compatible with Verizon, why would you want it? A Nexus phone on their network is NOT a real Nexus because the device is not updated by Google. It's updated by Verizon, if and when Verizon chooses to release the update. Case in point, Android 4.3 was released July 24th and Verizon has not pushed it to their Galaxy Nexus.
Additionally, just because a phone has a radio, it doesn't necessarily mean Google will enable it in the software. Didn't the Nexus 4 technically have an LTE radio, just disabled?
Personally I doubt Verizon will ever get another Nexus phone and I hope they don't. I'm leaving them as soon as the Nexus 5 is available for purchase. I encourage everyone that wants a real Nexus to do the same.
If you look at the FCC filing, it has the CDMA radios for the frequencies used by Sprint. The LTE frequencies don't include the band of the 700 MHz frequency used by Verizon Wireless.
The link to the FCC filing information is in this article. http://www.droid-life.com/2013/10/07/nexus-5-specs/
The details regarding the radios on the Nexus 5 are a bit sketchy. However it is important to note that if Verizon wanted the Nexus 5 on their network they could have it. It's Verizon's choice to implement their over reaching policies.
I have been a Verizon customer for years, and I have been dissatisfied by the lack of control I get over my own devices. I'm sick of providers deciding what is good for me. I've had a Droid, Droid X, Droid 3, and a Droid Bionic. Each of these phones is a good piece of hardware for the time they were released. But the ridiculous amount of bloat and background services that cannot be disabled cripple the overall experience. I keep asking myself why I am paying for this
If Verizon doesn't support REAL Nexus devices in this next iteration I will be leaving.
Please remove me form this discussion
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
the Nexus 5 3G CDMA frequencies are 850 and 1900 MHz, both offered by VZW.
The VZW 4G LTE 1700MHz frequency-roll out is also compatible with the Nexus 5.
The main question is this: Will VZW allow the device on their network?
I for one don't care if VZW doesn't allow immediate OTA updates. With a linux machine, you could update the phone yourself. Hook up the android.org repository to your linux machine, cross compile the software for Snapdragon 800 processor, then download the latest android software to your phone. By virtue of buying the phone through Google, you are a super user (think: sudo command). So there is NO "rooting" involved. LEGITIMATE UPDATES of the android OS. Just like Ubuntu, CentOS, etc... This is how Google builds the software. You can do it, too. That is the beauty of Open-Source software.
I wish I knew the answer. I really do. But VZW is in charge of what devices are allowed on their CDMA network. Once they move over to VoLTE (on the 1700 MHz frequency?), then by law, they have to allow any compatible on their LTE network. So I'll keep my BB9930 with my unlimited data and wait until their roll-out of their VoLTE. But it's a plus if VZW allows the device now.
Keep our fingers crossed.
PENNANTFEVER wrote:Please remove me form this discussionSent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
PENNANTFEVER wrote:
Unfortunately that is something that YOU have to do. No one can remove you from the discussion except for yourself.
Does Verizon have devices in its line-up that does NOT have LTE 700MHz support?
I've said it before and I'll say it again: If the NEXUS 5 doesn't come to Verizon, I'm moving my entire family to another carrier. My Galaxy Nexus doesn't have much life remaining, and I have absolutely no interest in VZW's "Droids."
Ah, but the interesting question is why are Verizon's frequencies not supported? The N5 supports a number of LTE bands, so why not include Verizon's? Even if Verizon had said they wanted nothing to do with the device, that surely doesn't stop LG/Google from making the N5 support Verizon's frequencies anyway. Particularly as one could get on the network without being on an official device (as people have done with the new Nexus 7). It suggests one of two things to me:
1) Verizon negotiated with LG/Google to remove their frequencies from the N5 in exchange for some other benefits, e.g. support of future devices. (Bad, Evil Verizon!)
2) A Verizon-only N5 is in the works and just hasn't hit the FCC yet.
I'm hoping for 2), but wouldn't put 1) past Verizon. Anyway, my point is, even if Verizon is not a carrier of the N5 at announcement, I would hold your horses about leaving. It's possible a Verizon device will be announced shortly after. Indeed, the LG G2 (on which the N5 is based) only just came to Verizon.
wjg wrote:Ah, but the interesting question is why are Verizon's frequencies not supported? The N5 supports a number of LTE bands, so why not include Verizon's? Even if Verizon had said they wanted nothing to do with the device, that surely doesn't stop LG/Google from making the N5 support Verizon's frequencies anyway.
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Ah, but the interesting question is why are Verizon's frequencies not supported? The N5 supports a number of LTE bands, so why not include Verizon's? Even if Verizon had said they wanted nothing to do with the device, that surely doesn't stop LG/Google from making the N5 support Verizon's frequencies anyway.
That is a question I would ask Google. They are the one who ultimately decided which radios they want in their phone. No matter what other negotiations occurred or didn't occur between the carriers and Google, the final product is designed by Google.
I'm already FULLY prepared to drop Verizon come January 10th - the day my contract is up. I will never have another Android phone through Verizon due to their extremely poor handling of the Galaxy Nexus.
I'll be switching to T-Mobile's unlimited 4G, since they have good coverage in the San Diego area, and the Nexus 5 will work on their network. They also won't play the "hold Android OS update hostage" game that Verizon wastes everyone's time with.
Verizon will not allow phones on it's network that do not support it's business plan.
The short version - no crapware, no phone.
When I'm ready for a new phone I may give up my unlimited data rather that pay full boat for another VZW crapware loaded phone.
Yes... I'm getting more and more excited about a T-Mo switch. That Nexus 7 plan they're releasing is also quite compelling.
I understand the Nexus 5 may not come to verizon because it's not compatible, but that's a verizon issue with wanting to 100% control software. They don't have to sell these Nexus phones in the store, they don't have to "support" them as far as I'm concerned, but I should be able to use a phone like this on their network as a customer. If Verizon doesn't change their ways quickly, I'm going to have to begin looking at switching carriers when my time is up as well.
Order one now and switch! https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_5_black_16gb
"Pichai also made it a point to mention that Google was "working with [Verizon] on a set of projects for 2014."
So they went with option 1. Very disappointed with both of them. Mainly VZW though.
Official Nexus 5 radio specifications
2G/3G/4G LTE
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
CDMA: Band Class: 0/1/10
WCDMA: Bands: 1/2/4/5/6/8/19
LTE: Bands: 1/2/4/5/17/19/25/26/41
I'm dropping Verizon. After the Galaxy Nexus fiasco, the Nexus 5 was going to be the last chance I'd give Verizon before ditching them. This is just one reason alongside a slew of anti-consumer behaviors Verizon has been engaging in. Good riddance.
How disappointing Verizon. I've been a customer for a long time, and I don't understand why Verizon would ostracize an awesome segment of its customers. I'm a huge Google fan, and I want the pure Google experience. I loved the Galaxy Nexus, and Verizon won't even approve an update for the new software even after it's been on other networks for months. Now, Verizon has eliminated getting the Android 4.4 update by not offering the Nexus 5. I don't give a (removed) about the FCC. If Verizon would work with Google, then Google would have the incentive to make the Nexus 5 compatible with the network. For example, Verizon didn't work with Apple on the iPhone, and then they lost a ton of customers to a much crappier network. Then years later they act like innovators when they finally decide to work with Apple. I'm tired of them throwing their weight around and putting up a bunch of red tape just because they can. Needless to say, I'll be going to T-Mobile after my contract is up, and I'm taking my friends and family with me.
PS Ann154 seems pretty intelligent, but it also seems like you're arguing points that are irrelevant and are trying to catch people on technicalities which means you're just being a dick (See comment above "It is kind of hard to allow a device on their network when it physically doesn't have the radio hardware required to access the network"). The point is that Verizon is unwilling to work with Google on their phones, so Google threw up their hands and said bye.
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It's because of days like this, that I feel even less bad about downloading 100GB+/mo on my grandfathered unlimited data plan. Verizon, suck it.
A Verizon sales representative hinted at the possibility of a Verizon specific version of the Nexus 5 sometime in the future. This is an excerpt from a verizonwireless.com ChatNow session.
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Someone needs to start a petition to get this phone. Verizon needs to swallow is ego trip with Google and just sell the phone and keep their grubby hands out of the OS! I'm so (removed) about the delayed updates and the blocked wallet issue on the Galaxy Nexus I can hardly stand it, it has been one of the best phones I've ever owned and would have been a perfect experience if Verizon would just support. My last contract ends in May... They have that long to patch things up with Google or I'm out for good....
Key words there: "Verizon's version of the Nexus 5". WE DON'T WANT VERIZON'S VERSION! We want Google's version to work on Verizon's network!!!!!
Technically, Verizon has to allow the device on there network but they decide not to.
"Under the FCC's rules, whoever wins the spectrum auction must allow consumers to use any device and any lawful application on their networks" (We are talking about the Class C LTE 700Mhz)
Verizon won that spectrum auction, and they have to abide by this, do they? No they don't. Should we report them to the FCC, yes we should. Its BS and unlawful. They are also denying the Nexus 7 on there network.
Now, if you know anything about the FCC rule, you know Verizon didn't like it and they have tried so hard to overturn it and have been unsuccessful.
Now, your probably wonder why Verizon is being an (removed) when it comes with Nexus devices, Its actually Google who had the FCC put that rule put in place. They think people should use any device and any apps on any phone and network they want. Verizon on the other hand does not like this at all, which is why they are being idiots. They WILL hurt themselves in the long run.
I agree with this threads author. I've been feed up with Verizon's treatment to the Nexus line. I bought my Galaxy Nexus two years ago, and despite VZ handicapping this phone ... it's been the best phone I ever bought. I always had to find other ways for me to get Google Wallet on to my phone, or anxiously wait for OS updates. I want to continue with this brand. And I trust Google more than Verizon.
Luckily for me, my contract with Verizon expires on December 15th. Unless Verizon comes up with some way for me to get the Nexus 5 on their network, I plan on leaving.
But I don't expect it. Especially with the recent announcement that you can buy the Nexus 5 fully unlocked for $350. Verizon wants their customers locked. I know it's a smooth business move on Verizon's part. But I just see that I get more for my customer experience and satisfaction elsewhere. And Verizon just isn't providing it.
So soon I'll either be with Sprint or T-Mobile. But I'll still happily be holding my Nexus. Screw you, Verizon!
VERIZON YOU ARE A HORRIBLE COMPANY FOR THIS,. UGH AT YOU
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I'm with you on leaving Verizon. I don't get what they are trying to do or not do. First it was waiting months to have the HTC One finally come on Verizon and now they won't even carry the Nexus 5 which they would sell a TON of and get new customers in the process. I would have held onto the One if it came out on Verizon before the Iphone 5S was announced. I have been with Verizon for YEARS but now when I want to upgrade a phone I have to wait the full 2 years, had to pay an activation fee TWICE for the same upgrade when switching phones, and everything they do now makes you go UGH WHY. We all know why, for good numbers and all that profit BS. Verizon could be doing so much better if they had someone there that actually knew what people wanted.
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/03/google-issues-statement-regarding-cdma-nexus-devices/
It seems to me like Verizon doesn't want to give Google the same access it gives Apple so Google stopped supporting Verizon. As Sprint is CDMA and it is available, that's seems to be a reasonable interpretation of the linked statement.
Even if Verizon did have the Nexus 5, from what I read about the Nexus 4, it stalled upgrades so it is really worth having the phone on Verizon? I've been on Verizon for many years, have a grandfathered unlimited plan with unlimited hotspot but I ordered the Nexus 5 and plan to try the other carriers.
Ask anyone that's ever worked in a customer service capacity for Verizon. Those CS reps (both in stores and on the phones) only serve to keep you away from the decision makers within Verizon. It's a really crappy place to be, stuck in the middle, hands tied by your employer, and asked to lie on a regular basis.
From Google's site regarding the Nexus 5
The phone will have the required radios to work on Verizon. Verizon, support this phone or I will be leaving your service when it comes time for me to upgrade.
Yes it dose it will support there new lte network aws network. And it supports 3g. Thee is no reason why they should not allow it,
There is a reason - which is MORE CONTROL. Google doesn't agree with it - so no Nexus for VZW.
Actually, now as VZ:
- dropped unlimited data,
- made it impossible to use subsidized upgrade if you still grandfather unlimited data,
- nikel-and-dime you for everything ($35 upgrade charge etc, etc)
- lag with using modern handsets, OSes and features,
I think, this is a time to move on, dump them and take my business elsewhere...
This is a shame, I was using them for ages. Too bad, Verizon.
Bye-bye!
idavidx wrote:Technically, Verizon has to allow the device on there network but they decide not to."Under the FCC's rules, whoever wins the spectrum auction must allow consumers to use any device and any lawful application on their networks" (We are talking about the Class C LTE 700Mhz)Verizon won that spectrum auction, and they have to abide by this, do they? No they don't. Should we report them to the FCC, yes we should. Its ** and unlawful. They are also denying the Nexus 7 on there network. Now, if you know anything about the FCC rule, you know Verizon didn't like it and they have tried so hard to overturn it and have been unsuccessful. Now, your probably wonder why Verizon is being an (removed) when it comes with Nexus devices, Its actually Google who had the FCC put that rule put in place. They think people should use any device and any apps on any phone and network they want. Verizon on the other hand does not like this at all, which is why they are being ******. They WILL hurt themselves in the long run.Comment edited as required by the Terms of Service.Message was edited by: Admin Moderator
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Verizon won that spectrum auction, and they have to abide by this, do they? No they don't. Should we report them to the FCC, yes we should. Its ** and unlawful. They are also denying the Nexus 7 on there network.
Now, your probably wonder why Verizon is being an (removed) when it comes with Nexus devices, Its actually Google who had the FCC put that rule put in place. They think people should use any device and any apps on any phone and network they want. Verizon on the other hand does not like this at all, which is why they are being ******. They WILL hurt themselves in the long run.
The Nexus 5 doesn't have the class C 700 MHz frequency band 13 in its radio specs. The FCC rules might not even apply to the Nexus 5.
Goodbye Verizon, no one wants the junk you add to the phones. Thanks for making the decision easy. Nexus 5 purchased and shipping, hello At&t.
Just bought my 32gb Nexus 5. I'm also leaving. Verizon doesn't give a darn about us few. The Wall Street profits gained by their ruthless practice of locking phones to their network, then locking us in for 2 years, PLUS purposely giving poor software updates so we buy a new phone on contract every two years... Wall Street loves them! And only Wall Street matters any more.
We're a handful of geeks but they lock in millions of people.
It's pathetic that we still have to deal with this stuff. The FCC should step in on this.
This is like if your ISP told you that that you can only use their internet service if you buy an authorized computer. Ridiculous.
That's an excellent analogy! But don't forget ... that ISP would limit your computer by allowing you to only run certain programs.
I've been with Verizon for 15+ years; think I may be done with them. My contract expired, my wife's expires on 12/15, going to switch. I don't like being dependent on Verizon deciding when the want to upgrade the OS.
I have the Droid Charge from Verizon, they've never updated the version of Droid and have struggled with app crashes for the last year. So they don't keep my phone up to date, but they expect me to keep paying full price. "Thank you sir, may I have another" NOT!
Great analogy. It goes a step further, as they would say 'this Dell that we had built for us, because it is 'secure' with our awesome unheardofantivirusprogram that is way better than anything you could buy online.'
In specific I draw attention to VZ Navigator and other Verizon apps, none of which are better than either default google applications, or those you could get for free or at a low price on the Play store. This is their fall back reason on why they will not allow a device on their network that they do not sell, because it is not 'approved' or 'secure' to work on their network.
I'm out of here unless the horrific nexus, phone and plan policies doesn't change in the next month...
Yeah, it won't change. And i highly doubt it will hurt their bottom line. I wish it would, but it won't.
It does apply due to fact that Verizon's network operates on those frequency's.
There's not much more that I can add except that I am also leaving for this phone. It's a shame that verizon doesn't want my money. Perhaps I can convince AT&T to take it.
I just ordered a Nexus 5 and a TMobile sim and will be trying them out for a month. Assuming their service is at the very least passable I'm kicking Verizon to the curb for both my lines.
i like verizon i had a cell phone on my moms plan from bout 2005 to late 2011ish and my own plan tell now from then i had only 1 bad thing happen to me and i don't know if it'll so happen for the past 8 or so years i had cell phones i am on now my 69th cell phone most phones about 80% of them or so from software bugs they could not help with so i re-bought new phones most of the 69 cells bout 65 off contact so i paid out 500+ for ea, other than that i love verizon but i do want the nexus 5 but if i can't get it oh well why make big deal out of it verizon has to follow there own rules that they made witch can mess them up and in order not to make a loss they may need to keep some cells off or maybe other things are going on no 1 who does not work for them will know why but i am a small guy who does not know much about this so i don't really know
jpcfanfics89 wrote:i like verizon i had a cell phone on my moms plan from bout 2005 to late 2011ish and my own plan tell now from then i had only 1 bad thing happen to me and i don't know if it'll so happen for the past 8 or so years i had cell phones i am on now my 69th cell phone most phones about 80% of them or so from software bugs they could not help with so i re-bought new phones most of the 69 cells bout 65 off contact so i paid out 500+ for ea, other than that i love verizon but i do want the nexus 5 but if i can't get it oh well why make big deal out of it verizon has to follow there own rules that they made witch can mess them up and in order not to make a loss they may need to keep some cells off or maybe other things are going on no 1 who does not work for them will know why but i am a small guy who does not know much about this so i don't really know
jpcfanfics89 wrote:
What the heck are you doing to go through 69 cell phones in EIGHT years? I have had six phones in ten years.
i did a lot i myself don't know why i do this
I have been waiting to get a new phone, waiting for the right one. I love my Galaxy Nexus, but am disappointed by the sluggishness that it has been having as of late. When the Nexus 5 had been leaked I knew that was the one that I wanted. Oct. 31st I jumped on Google Play and purchased a 32gb white version! Excited by the arrival of my new phone I jumped on to the web and noticed that everyone was talking about how upset they were that the Nexus 5 was not compatible with Verizon's network...
I became paranoid, as I blindly bought the phone WITHOUT this knowledge! I had no idea that Google and Verizon were at odds. I sent an email to Google and they said that I would not be able to connect the phone to Verizon's network. I just talked to Verizon, and they were unable to confirm its compatibility without a MEID (or something like that) number...
Problem is I don't have the phone in hand to give it to them, and even if I had already received the package, UPS will not ship back the phone if I open the package.... Guess I'll just have to take Google's word for it and send the phone back.
I would leave Verizon to a competing company if it weren't for having a grandfathered unlimited plan...
What is the best phone to get now that I cant have the Nexus 5? Without having to go to Apple's iPhone?
Lg g2 imo
I can assure you, the N5 will not work on Verizon. As for getting a new phone, if you can pay full price, then yes, G2 is looking pretty good. I would try it out in a store first, because the rear volume controls are not for everyone. However, I would encourage you to explore used phones. I picked up a used Samsung Galaxy S4 for $360 from swappa dot com. You definitely want a phone made within the last 6 months in order to take advantage of AWS (LTE band 4). Galaxy S4 just had a firmware release that enables AWS. People are seeing craaazy speeds.
I think you are missing the point. Network speeds have never been an issue
with Verizon, not for me at least. The issue at hand here is that Verizon
does not provide ANY option for people who want a bloat free experience.
They can't say it subsidizes the cost of the device because they aren't
providing the device if you bought it directly from Google. This is an
extremely important point for many people. People who came to Verizon
initially because they were offering higher end Android devices.
But Verizon still has not provided me with the experience I am after for
many years and I've had it. I have lost all faith in them. I have had
buyers remorse on my last 2 devices. This is a terrible feeling for someone
who enjoys gadgets. I'm not going to pay their exorbitant prices and not
get exactly what I want anymore.
Not missing the point at all, I was responding to someone who asked what phone he should get instead of the N5. And speeds on AWS are much better than LTE band 13. And if you don't want bloat, you could always do that thing that if I say its name, will get my post censored. This is particularly relevant if you buy a second hand device, since the warranty will already be void anyway.
Concerning the NEXUS 5/7 and Verizon Wireless
VZW is protecting their revenue stream. If it did not provide such good coverage in the areas that I travel and if I didn’t have a grandfathered unlimited data plan I would be long gone. When I need a new(er) phone I guess I will have to buy a used one and do the nasty to it, because I will NEVER pay the prices for an off contract phone that VZW demands.
The technology of smartphones is very mature and the prices off contract should be no more than what Google is getting for the NEXUS 5. VZW and the rest of them are just playing us all for fools. Buy a new phone on contract, and if lucky, you will get one upgrade to the operating system, long after it is available to NEXUS users, because the carriers have to put all their bloatware on the new release. Then when the next Android OS comes out you get, "Sorry, you'll have to upgrade to a new phone."
Let me buy the phone I want with the features I want at a competitive price. When the FCC OKs it for use on the system you prefer, you should be able buy a sim, choose a data plan and go your merry way. It works in Europe.
In the US the lawmakers don't give a (removed) about you and me, just the wealthy and their campaign contributions. We all have to put down our Plants and Zombies and start putting pressure on our congress people to work for us for a change. We sell the spectrum to the wireless companies to enable them to do their business and they play fast and loose with the agreements they sign.
The Nexus 7/5 kerfuffle can be blamed on both Google and VZW. Google could have put into these devices the radio band that handles the main VZW LTE band. They did put in the band that VZW is moving to, the one that VZW promised the FCC would be open to all qualified equipment. That promise was made because Google put financial pressure on VZW by bidding for the spectrum themselves. Good for them.
But today Google doesn’t want to go to the mats with VZW, maybe because VZW is such a big customer. VZW will never change its business plan until we make its current one less profitable.
We’ve heard some half-hearted throw-away lines about Google and VZW working together on some new products for 2014. Google, if it’s more of the same old, same old no one will care.
Sell us a decent phone at a fair price, unlocked and sell the data service at a fair price. Gouging is not going to work much longer. We need cell towers across the country, available and usable by anyone who wants to get into the data selling/reselling business. Let us choose the best service at the price we determine is fair. My father-in-law wouldn’t use or appreciate faster connections with lots of data; his phone is for making calls, maybe checking the weather. I want the fastest connection I can afford, either unlimited or metered at a fair price.
As the old saw goes, “The Future is Now”; we are battling against old-fashioned business models, business models that have been formed by decades of the rich making sure they stay rich and get richer. The millionaires and billionaires of new tech need to use their new clout and wealth to help effect the changes needed to provide the new utility of global inter-connectivity to all. Whether voice, text or video, data connections are what electricity, drinking water and sanitation was for generations past. Those utilities made life safer and easier, while providing new opportunities. The widespread penetration of these utilities could only be accomplished with the cooperation of the people, business, and local, regional and national governments.
Make a difference. Email, text, call, write snail mail letters to your representatives, to the CEOs of these corporations, to the FCC.
Vote with your feet, walk away from businesses like VZW if they are taking your money but not serving your interests.
Let Google know you are not appreciative of how they are dealing with VZW. Tell them you will use their services, but you will restrict as much of your information from Google as possible. Use an ad blocker. When you Google something don’t click on the sponsored link at the top or right side of the page, scroll down the page and find the unsponsored search result and use it instead.
Google, don’t be evil isn’t quite the same as work for the good of as many as possible.
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I'd keep it and leave VZW. I'm just waiting on the reviews to come in on the N5 to make sure it doesn't have similar issues to the Galaxy Nexus (which I also have).
Well said! I'll be voting with my feet as soon as my next contract is up. I don't get how VZW can justify subsidizing Apple so heavily with no control over them, yet won't allow us to use off-contract phones and allow us to further subsidize other customers.
Because back when the iphone came to Verizon, it dominated the smartphone market, so Apple had a lot of leverage. Nexus devices are a relatively small fraction of the Android market. We just have to hope that changes so that Google will have more leverage over the like of VZW.
the challenge will always be that Verizon has special drivers to gain access to their network. Verizon is very slow (RESISTS) updating their phones. So, a Nexus on Vzw will always be last to get update, if at all. The Galaxy Nexus still hasn't gotten 4.3 and probably never will. Vzw is like any huge corp. like IBM, eventually they get so huge they are afraid to upgrade devices and have a problem. It's at iceberg speed, like IBM or the government because there's just no profit in updating phones.
Samsung leveraged Vzw with the Galaxy S4. They said either you accept our one-world-phone design OR you don't get the phone at all. Big (removed) over there in Korea now that they have market share. Consumers just won't understand why they need updates or "pure google". Remember, consumers are mostly afraid of change and don't like their phone "updating" on them.
It really should work - I was able to get Nexus 5 to connect to verizon wireless's network but could not make calls or access the internet.
But check this out - It looks like it should work. Nexus 5 is designed to work on Verizon Wireless, and most other networks
@Stevep2007 . This is because mentioned above "the challenge will always be that Verizon has special drivers to gain access to their network. " Although the chipset/radio the nexus 5 uses may be compatible with the Verizon's network frequencies is will not work because the drivers (software) that are needed to communicate with those frequencies are not installed. You're best bet is to find someone on XDA forums to port a Verizon driver from the G2 (as it uses the same chipset) to the Nexus 5.
Verizon uses "band 13" on the 700MHz spectrum for LTE. Note that the Nexus 5 does NOT support band 13 in either the US or International version: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Differences-between-the-two-Nexus-5-models-D820-and-D821_id48985
It does support band 4 in the US version, so it theoretically support Verizon AWS, but does it have the other hardware for antennae, etc? Remember, lots of hardware goodies are left out of Nexus now to make it a low price point to drive market competition. for example, the camera is an old 8MP is lesser quality. It probably just doesn't support Vzw, period.
Maybe the Nexus 6 have a partnership with Vzw? If Vzw can find a way to lock down the phones tightly to their network so people can't leave. But then updates would be slow and eventually terminated, as with GNex stuck on 4.2.2 possibly indefinitely.
It's the advantage of being the megacorp, incredibly fast AWS at 80mbps, coverage, etc: You get to lock down everything to resist competition and maintain market. Save money, have choice and poor service OR great service and rigid profit policies. Ever try to open an iPhone to change the battery?
But the chip does support that band 13 - so its software? Or is VZ
rejecting the ESDN?
Petition, uh No. You speak the loudest with the wallet!!!
You may have seen the rumors of an LG D830
http://www.sidhtech.com/news/verizon-nexus-5-4/10028625/
Could be a Verizon CDMA/LTE Nexus 5. There were earlier rumors of Google and Verizon "working together". But rumors are meaningless, IMHO.
The challenge with Verizon will always be the secure binaries required to authenticate on Verizon network, which means Verizon must do all rollouts and testing. I.e. their phones will always get software updates well after all other companies in the world, if at all. Note that the Galaxy Nexus is forever stuck on Android 4.2.2 and will never get to 4.3 (just as the Nexus 7 will never make it through Verizon "testing" to get on their network.)
This is why I'm enjoying my Nexus 5 on another network and saving $50/month towards a new phone every year. LTE speeds are much faster than Verizon because Verizon's network doesn't have the capacity for all the phones on it. Competition and the free market is great. I suggest dropping the illusion that a massive corporation like Verizon will put any resources where they don't see easy profits for shareholders.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
